More Yellow sticker info

[dwcjwerfner]

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/trailers.shtml

Just a page I found which means then if your rig and trailer exert less than 2800kg then you don't have to worry about stickers.
So even a Jeep like Scott's which will probably come in at close to 4000lbs (1815kg) with axles, tires and armor on a 2500lb (1135kg) trailer should be fine as there is 500lbs (227kg) tongue weight or 1200 lbs (545kg) allowed with equalizing hitches...

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[Farm Boy]

If anyone is going try to fall under this exemption, they want to be 100% sure of their weights. Go to a scale and check. Don't forget to account for any camping gear/spare parts/mud etc that may be added.

People shouldn't be afraid of the yellow safety stickers, it's not a bad idea to have someone check things over once a year.
Now the CVOR, that is a different story.........

 

[Baja]

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/trailers.shtml

Just a page I found which means then if your rig and trailer exert less than 2800kg then you don't have to worry about stickers.
So even a Jeep like Scott's which will probably come in at close to 4000lbs (1815kg) with axles, tires and armor on a 2500lb (1135kg) trailer should be fine as there is 500lbs (227kg) tongue weight or 1200 lbs (545kg) allowed with equalizing hitches (1815+1135-227=2723)
So his Chev Duramax probably comes in at under 4000kg so he will be right around his limit with a 4499 registered weight.
I know this has been discussed before but for anybody new to the sport or for some of you half-ton guys towing Zuk's or Buggy's who might have thought you weren't legal you should be fine but of course I would check all this on scales.


Dwayne
:beer:

So it looks like I would be just ok although I won't know what my jeep weighs until it is done. That is also too close for my own comfort. Like jon said it is not a bad thing to get the sticker.
All that being said I will definatly weigh my setup once the jeep is done.

 

[mucovich]

Dwayne, I just got my stickers and such a few weeks ago, the registry office and the CVOR office both told me the same thing - 4600kg, that's what they said is the magic number. So I reg the ram for 4600Kg. I did weigh the jeep on the trailer and it came out to 2710kg with it hooked up to the ram. That means I fall under the 2800kg exemption which means I don't have to add the entire trailer/jeep weight to the registered weight of the truck. my math puts my tongue weight at around 600kg's, add that to the 3200kg of pure RAM that's 3800kg's giving me 800kg's for family and camping stuff. This stuff still makes my head swim!

Marek

 

[blueguy]

Hmmmm....sounds interesting. I'm not sure why they mentioned to you 4600kg being the magic number. That's the weight cutoff for a trailer before you have to get a class A license, but means squat for anything else in a personal context. Your class G license allows you a total of 11000kg combined weight (provided the towed part is under 4600kg).

FWIW, my truck is registered for 7000kg. When I went to the DMV last year to get some info on stickers, and when I went to actually change the RGW on my registration, they kept mentioning that anything over 4600kg required some type of action on Carrier Safety's part, but when I actually called them, they said they had nothing to do with towing for personal use.....

Edit: Where did you weigh? At B-Line? One of these days, I gotta get my whole setup weighed individually :clue:

 

[mucovich]

I think that if you where to call 3 different registry people, you'd get 3 different answers! I got my stickers and I've weighed everything so I've got my weights. i'll be ready for johny MTO!

 

[blueguy]

Yeah, no kidding. Stickers will be one of the few plusses to moving back to G'town this summer - there are none The trailer gets registered for 4500kg, and I'm good....

 

[dwcjwerfner]

The real problem is the people at the license bureau have no training, I know the girls that work locally in town, they said that MTO gives them about as much information as they give us. So that is why they give out incorrect info all the time.

And yes my final statement was that I would check it all on scales.

dj

 

[Richard]

I always thought this was only for the plate registration and didn't apply to the yellow stickers? Anyways, I don't have a tow vehicle anymore so you guys figure this out all over again :flipoff:

 

[Richard]

There, according to #2:
◦the actual weight of the truck, when added to the actual weight of the towed trailer or trailers exceeds 4,500 kilograms, or

The the 2800 kg exemption doesn't apply to yellow stickers, only to plate registration.

Thanks John.

 

[Dirk]

I can't resist these threads...:banghead:

Best source for info, Highway Traffic Act as it is the actual law, second best MTO Officers as they are the ones scutinizing your junk.
The Licence Bureau employees are generally quite confused and poorly informed about this topic, and are not a good source for info.

As far as scale tickets, they are really for your info only. They may help if stopped, but all MTO cars carry portable s cales, so don't expect the officer to believe your scale ticket.

2800kg exemption as Dwayne says refers to the weight exerted by the trailer to the road. 2800kg and under and the weight is not added to the tow vehicles for the registered weight, licence plate sticker. Be sure to add the tongue weight to the tow vehicle tho, calculate the weight or actually weight the individual vehicles. A 500lb tongue weight can easily get you over 4500kg on the tow vehicle.
The trailers weight is however added to the tow vehicle for purposes of calculating if it needs a anual inspection sticker.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/annual.shtml

There are 3 separate legislations to comply to.
1 - anual inspection , truck and/or Trailer (safety)
2 - licensed weight (plate sticker, just another tax)
3 - drivers licence (trailer over 4600kg needs a class A)

Also watch your tongue weight guys. 600kg is a lot. Probably more than the ball is rated for. Remember that all parts of the hitch assembly have to be rated for the actual weight, or more. If they want to find something they will look at everything. I have had this happen to me years ago...was at the scale for 2 hours, 2 MTO and 2 OPP Officers....fun fun, ended up leaving the trailer there and got fined up the wasoo.

 

[dwcjwerfner]

You have a blue plate on the van John? Then the only rule is that your trailer does not exert more than.......4600kg on the road while attached to the truck as our local MTO guy told me they are going to use the roadside scales and therefore only the weight on the trailer tires count. The van itself does not count at all with blue plates

I did not start this thread to get everybody confused, my purpose was to say "go to the scales and weigh your truck,trailer and rig". Sorry I should have been clearer, if you aren't anywhere near the numbers I referenced at the start then you can drive without worry. For the bigger trucks like 3/4 ton sized diesels I was pointing out that you may still be ok, but you would have to weigh your combination to determine if you are.
Dirk had to do his because his 5th wheel camper is almost 15000lbs (6800kgs)(which he wasn't legal to drive with his D license anyway) and he was concerned about being so close as the Toy is so heavy and that is something they are going to start cracking down on as well as race car trailers (or us).

Dwayne
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